The effective wind speed in the Betws area is now 1 mph, 10 mph average speed minus 9 mph needed to start the turbines. So they are producing effectively nothing as usual, and are a total failure. Any large turbines in Wales are also a total failure, because there is not enough wind. The wind industry must have known this and put up the turbines for subsidy money running into tens of millions. There is no actual purpose to the wind turbines. Solar now is a pitiful 0.03% (University of Sheffield estimate on www.templar.gridwatch.co.uk) , so the solar panels dumped in Mawr by the Swansea Councils are also a total failure. Hydro is also a total failure at 2.35%. Gas and nuclear are flat out and coal is at about half maximum capacity. All turbines and solar panels to be demolished and Mawr made an area of outstanding beauty before it is totally destroyed. I was not aware that solar is such a shocking disaster until a couple of weeks ago. The reason is common sense – no sunshine. So these disgustingly ugly panels were forced through by greed for easy money, easier than honest farming.