The average wind speed in the Betws area now is 6 mph, not enough to start the giant turbines (7 – 9 mph needed to start them). So they are producing nothing as usual and sometimes taking power from the grid to keep them turning over slowly. So they should be demolished because they are useless. My daily study of the past six months shows that there nowhere near enough wind in the Betws and Mynydd y Gwair areas. This must have been known before they were constructed, clearly showing the corrupt nature of this enterprise. Those responsible should be condemned outright.